Artist Feature: Fox Cubs

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Interesting track! I'm feeling this one a lot. This kinda music isn't normally my cup of tea but i like this particular track. There's something about it that hits me! The breaks are crazy! The drummer is bananas! lol

Also i'm glad to read that the Vox team has been contacted regarding the email notification for demo submissions. This kind of functionality will help to futher set the whole online demo submission process apart from the normal "CD in the post" way of doing things.

Glad to know our comments and suggestions are being taken on board! :D

If i have any more ideas i'll be sure to post them in the Widgets blog.

Thanks again CD.

Kang.

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Hi
How are you?
I'm fine.
Very nice track!
Thanks again.

VideoTrain

The mind boggling thing is that in this industry there are no "coaches." In sports you don't just have a CEO and players you also have COACHES. Wow! what a concept. The strange thing is that the music industry is not the place for staffing people to turn ugly ducklings into swans, but bands are not willing to pay a person to help train them to be a better band either. So you have employers and employees but no institutions to train these employees in the music industry. What you end up with is stubborn musicians who are too set in their ways to accept structural criticisms and all they care about is practicing, recording, sending off demos and marketing stuff that is not marketable. You have management teams on here spouting how good their acts are and even they are under the illusion that they are representing good bands. Incredible. You have bands who don't want to sound like everyone else but sound practically like everything else out there anyways. What happened to making good music for the masses, not just for the artists and teenagers? Some of you bands out there are hoping that the music moguls hopefully won't notice your shortcomings or your lack of originality. A major music mogul once said "90% of the demos he receives are rubbish." The thing is that bands need to start acting more like actual business people and not just people who think they're business people. Right now 90% of you are rubbish and not because you're not trying and not because you can't better yourselves and not because you don't have talent. But rather that you are stagnate and too internalized to what you are doing and you have virtually no sense of humility. There are quite a few bands on here that I have heard that I could take one of their songs right now and in 6 months do some rework on it with the artist(s) and turn it into a near hit. And I'm not claiming I'm a hitmaster, I just can tell what is inherently wrong with the song. Would anyone send a random music guy a master of one of their songs and take time out of their schedules to focus on something like this. The answer is NO. So they'll keep on playing live, practicing and high fiving each other, shmoozing with their manager, updating their webpage, making themselves seem really cool and having a good time. Oh yeah, and talk about getting signed. And when i critique songs on a "business" level now I get the "but, that's like your opinion, man" response or the "thanks, for taking the time to listen our music" response. If bands really want help with their music I just don't see it. They just want to be in a band and get signed. "I'd wish you luck, but you wouldn't know what to do with it." Quoting from a movie there. Most of you are nothing more than hobbyists and that's the stone cold reality whether you think it or not. You need to take that money that you're blowing on recording albums and travel the world instead. Be in a band, play live, have fun, post your music on the web, have good memories, but for god's sake don't waste any money towards it and don't do it on this supposed professional level. If it was me I would look behind the Wizard Of Oz curtain and get it over with now. If you think this is over the top, just think what a high strung record label CEO who works 24/7 would say to you right now if you were sitting in his office and he had an ounce of time to spend with you. If you can't imagine it think Simon Cowell. I know, I roll my eyes at Simon Cowell too. But that's the kind of attitude you have to finally impress to get that elusive major contract. This concept of doing your same routine over and over again expecting to get somewhere is not the way to do this. Either take on the attitude of having fun playing music and if somebody notices you then that's great or take on the attitude that you need outside help to retool your music to help get you noticed.

In a nutshell Matt; artist develepment is non existant nowadays but you've got to take into account the amount things have changed since those days when artists would be kept under wraps for years sometimes while they were being molded into a superstar!

Nowadays everyone wants to get signed and the label wants and needs to make money because lets face it, the labels aren't doing much to tap into the lucrative online market. They are sticking to an old, outdated model - cds! The labels piss n moan about sales dropping blah blah blah! Stop complainin and do something about it! Stop sueing the people who download! That money could be spent on ARTIST DEVELOPMENT which would give the listener an amazing product. An amazing product you say? Indeed i do! Think about it... If artist A was developed and their album was cohesive and also track for track mind blowing then i would happily part with my cash.

To be honest i download and i buy. I'm not gonna spend £10 on an album that i know only has 4-5 good tracks on it. Whereas something like an Eminem album i know for a fact would be track for track an amazing album.

Dre has it right! He spends years developing his artists. He spent approx 2 years development on Eminem and roughly the same time on Game. Why does he do this? Simply because he knows if he doesn't, he won't make as much money he could if he developed him.

Anyways i kind of went a lil off topic there but i think i got my point accross.

All in all the labels want someone they can put straight to market and make money straight off the bat. Simple as. Artist development is lost and it most prob won't come back unless the music industry does a 180!

Kang.

Who are you Matt Morris and what makes you an expert. We are lucky enough to have our own studio so recording costs are next to nothing. However I wouldn't say bands that spend money on "professional" recordings are "wasting" their money. If you are proud of your music you will want to hear it at its best. You wouldn't take photos of your wedding with a disposable camera would you?

I'm also a little confused about how you think a band would be able to "travel the world" if they didn't do the band at a "professional level". You are against supposed "hobbyists" suggesting that you think being in a band should be a full time activity, but if you aren't looking to make any money from it how will you be able to afford to travel the world.

This is not an out and out criticism of what you said, I would just like to know how it can be achieved so I can do it.

Tim
When I say travel the world I meant as a backpacker not a band, my mistake there. I was not suggesting traveling the world as a band. Surely, that's not what you thought I meant. If you are in the business of music to be successful at it and you go out and spend a few thousand bob on an album (which is what I was referring to) before you have someone professionally analyze what you have to see if it's marketable (and there are services out there that will do this!) then you are in the wrong business. Sure, there are bands out there that are just in it for the fun and couldn't care less about compromising their music, and there is nothing wrong with them capturing a musical memory on disc, but my comments were succinctly directed towards people on here who complain about not getting noticed or signed and are more concerned about being successful than just having a good time. Another thing - I never claimed to be an expert but if an artist thinks that they're the expert on how to make themselves successful, which seems to be the case on this blog, then by all means let them be an ant in an ant farm, it doesn't matter. The problem is artists are so egotistical and internalized that if you want to criticize them then all of a sudden you're the bad guy who's pretending to be an expert, you're the guy who's just spouting their opinion, you're the random guy who just likes to chat about music. All everyone wants on here is a record contract, they don't care if you can give them extremely sound direction. They want it all now. They take advice for granted. I can take a song on here and break it down as to why it is not a "successful" song, meaning I can say the bass/melody relationship doesn't work here, the rhythm is not stressed correctly, the phrasing is not right, the motion of the melody is not right. I could say that the dynamics of the song are all wrong or that there is too much repetition or I could say that a certain verse is too "clever." I could say that the chorus in a certain song needs to be independent of the verse or that a minor chord doesn't work there or if I wanted to be really technical I could say that it would be better to adapt to the Aeolian mode instead of a traditional scale when writing a certain song. My point is there are people on this blog willing to help artists become successful but they're ignoring that opportunity. I mean I don't have a degree in music or a resumee as a great producer so how can a young guy like me convince someone to take my advice, even though I have worked in business, worked with music my whole life, and have always had a knack for directing people in the right direction? Who knows. All I can say is that a lot of you are just not serious enough when it comes to being successful. When I helped run a mortgage company I learned everything I could to become successful and it was a sun up till sun down thing and people came to me for advice. As a musician I took it upon myself to challenge myself to be better than the best musician growing up and to learn everything I could. I took everything in like a sponge and I practiced my skills like mad. I won two national music awards while in high school. And out of 11 drummers in the school bands I was the only one to win any award at all. I can't convince anyone on here to listen to my advice or to believe that I'm anything more than a bullshit artist, but I believe if you are sincere and show that you care eventually someone will listen.

Fox Cubs are a good. i'm impressed for one. they're doin it proper. they got solid songs with tight energy. wicked

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look at you my friend ... up there talking to CD...... so the vox site does work.... because I cant imagine us doing this Kang a few months back......
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great posts matt.... and interesting reading...... glad i ventured over here today to catch up with you and kang.... i dont often visit this page....... bev x
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Listened to them yesterday! And they're aMAZing. Really love Beasts of England, it's got a lot of energy in there.

Glad to see Pinstripe are doing well just brought they're EP on iTunes lol, is well good.

Hi Bev, a belated thanks. You seem to have a presence on this site!

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