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Hey there. Hope you enjoy "you said".. Lxx
My favourite of the 3 songs was Never the First. Didn't like the note that the words "cruel", and "fool" ended on in the first verse, and that same note again in the 2nd verse on "door" and "before". Hope that's not being too picky, but it really bothered me and felt out of place. The pre-chorus was really nice, but I wanted to hear it one more time before the last chorus. Also, I wish the chorus lifted more, because I think it has the potential to be really exciting, maybe more like the Feeling's 'Fill my little world'.
Early sheets felt to me like it's missing a proper chorus, but the pre-chorus-y, refrain-y type thing they have sounds good. I just wanted something more after that, more payoff. The second verse felt long to me. Verses in general didn't really excite me too much. The bridge is the best bit. Also, I wish it hadn't ended as it did - maybe the missing chorus would fit well there.
Game over felt like it would be at home in a cool movie soundtrack.

Good work overall.
good luck
no problem....we're just getting the feeling that this is not going anywhere. It doesn't seem like you care enough. I'm pretty sure Apside has great music and material on our page ( at least, this is what the SF scene and Sylvia Massy seem to think), but so far you haven't been there...
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Great pick. I totally get this band. Great songwriting, great style and attitude. Interesting angle with the video game thing, but they don't have to rely on it. Best of luck to these guys! Looking forward to hearing more.
Apside, you need to have your fingers in pies in this business. Meaning you should also and definitely should be more focused on creating a dedicated live audience for your music before you expect anyone in the corporate music world to throw you a bone. Insecurity is a sign that you're not casting your net far enough. You need to have personal music goals and not become too paternalistic. Most of the people who make it in this business are extremely independent and have a knack for marketing their own music or at least a relentless live work ethic. I'm sure the A&R guys here are too nice to tell you that the odds of one of you guys getting snatched up by the industry is like winning a hundred grand in Vegas or like finding your soul mate on the internet. It's not like being the puppy that will eventually get picked out of the litter. There's no zero to hero, mate. If you're an unpolished diamond or if you have thick skin and work your tail off you can hopefully beat these odds.

RE: The Lost Levels

I hear Weezer and Eels Vs Pink Floyd and Crosby, Stills & Nash - something like that. I'm hearing another band in there somewhere also but can't put my finger on it. Not sure of the blend of verses with the chorus and bridge, they sound a little too contrasting. It's a little too "rehearsed" and not organic enough. Drums and guitars sound a little too perfect and a little too microwave ready for me. I hear a lot of that lately, I don't know if it's a trend or not. The nerdy singing doesn't have enough presence or enough "lift" to capture my attention and like Randy on American Idol would say - "I'm just not feeling it, dog." Not enough going on to make me feel like it's an actual band. A little too bland and not enough personality. It's not quite original enough to get on the air but it's a good template. The problem is the Lo Fi grunge sound is past its vogue and the chorus and bridge are too yesteryear. Production wise it's worthy though.

RE: Game Over

I appreciate those old Nintendo/Atari sounds - definitely adds for some nostalgia but I think I feel like you're attempt at implementing them are too subtle and sound more like one of those cheapy handheld video games than a real Nintendo or Atari. I would be a little more colorful and don't be afraid to milk them. If nothing else you might get famous just for that novelty factor. I have to admit I get lost and feel like my attention is torn between the instrumentation and the singing. The voice is too barren and lacks emphasis and individuality. Again you come in with a bridge that leaves the rest of the song behind and makes the total composition of the song sound like an experiment. I'm still feeling like you're a one man band. I do see a lot of heart in what you are doing and your attempt at originality is in the first stages. Keep working hard. Thanks.

RE: Never the First

Madness meets Ben Folds. Sounds like a catchy tune for an advert but I couldn't see it on the radio. Needs more of a musical group feel than just the solo artist in the booth feel I get from it right now.

BTW the first post was for Early Sheets

Apside, I just found the inertia to track down some of your songs and I do mean track them down since they are not posted on your vox page and I have to say of the five songs I listened to on your "second EP" I thought "A Song" was decent. The other songs do not have a direct style or format (or formula) that is pioneering or edgy enough for a major record label to risk money on especially when we may be nearing the end of the current phase of emo rock or whatever you want to call it. Your voice or the voice needs work - right now it wanders too much and its hard to put an identity on it. Also, you do realize that this is a UK website and are you aware of current trends or tailing music trends in the UK?

no matt, im not expecting to get signed from these blogs. we have a very nice following in northern cal, and have done many things that happen to a band only with a label support - even being on mtv and having songs on tv shows. but it amazes me the great marketing strategies of this site to attract artists on the days before this was on, and then replies are zero, and even posts on this blog are zero. A&R people have never listened to physical discs anyways, and here it would be no different. I think the purpose of these blogs should be more explicit "we wanna be myspace without really saying it."

I appreciate the time you took to go and listen to our music. but with all these talks about "formulas" and "trends" it's hard to take it seriously. Bands should not be playing the songs that are on the radio today, but on the radio tomorrow. And if you had to track down those songs, it is bc they're not supposed to be here, meaning they're part of history, but don't represent us any longer, even though that took us further than we expected.

thanks.

There are a lot of opinions on here mostly by other musicians/artists rather than Industry professionals. I don't really care for what other artists have to say. They are in essence in competition and therefore have a different agenda.
Matt Morris 's profile said he is a lifelong drummer with aspirations to mold bands.
My dad is a lifelong drummer but he has no idea about what any bands I listen to are trying to do. Aspirations and reality are very different things.
I aspired to release records and I did. I aspired to manage acts and I did.
That's not how you spell 'Shiny'.
Matt. How can one song be too contrasting and too bland?
Also, you are talking about 'getting famous' and 'American Idol'. If those are the things that you think are important then your musical attitudes are all wrong. Why would anyone even watch american idol? It has nothing to do with music whatsoever.
American idol blabber was tongue in cheek. But American Idol is a real indicator of what it takes to make it in the business as far as working hard, listening to brutal music moguls and building up a fanbase at the same time.As far as my profile on this website I decided to be slightly modest and vague as I'm not trying to splatter my resumee out there. I am involved in recording sessions in an actual studio every week - one that has featured the likes of Outkast, Macy Gray, music from the Dawsons Creek soundtrack and the One Tree Hill soundtrack. Sheryl Crow's producer has worked in this studio. I operate side by side with a producer who has worked with such artists as Tracy Chapman and Barenaked Ladies back in the day and has 30 years in the business. I've played drums for 20 years now and not in the garageband sense either. I was performing in traveling competitions as early as age 14 in a not so lax atmosphere and I used to perform in marching parades in the middle of the baking heat in summer time wearing a full uniform marching anywhere from 5 - 8 miles on average. I was a two time Who's Who Among American High School Students In Music awardee and was in the marching band that appeared in the movie "Wind" starring Jennifer Grey. I was in real estate for a number of years and was vice president of the company I worked for and trained and supervised 10 other mortgage salesman and I had to work relentlessly to earn that position. When I was 20 I was working 45 hours a week at a stock brokerage firm, then going from that job to real estate school at night and then going home and practicing piano method for 1-2 hours before I went to bed while my friends were out working dosser jobs and staying out all night. So there's me splattering some info on me. And I hate doing it cause I think it's cheesy and I know that there are people on here with a lot of musical experience. Why should I try to make myself seem any more special than the rest of you guys? I could care less if people react to my opinions but that is my passion, that is who I am and I sleep, breathe and eat music from sun up until sun down. Oh yeah, and I was born and bred in Britain until I was 12 and even did my GCSE in music composition when I was 16 over there. Feel free to delete this post Mods as I've probably taken up enough space as it is already on here!

The verse compared with chorus and bridge was a totally different format music wise. You can't just jump completely from one brand of music to another in the middle of a song without it seeming congruent. It might be a cool idea but it takes a genius to pull it off. The bland I was referring to was the vocals. People forget that you have to accentuate vocals to grasp the ears attention. Sometimes you have to manufacture even a small amount of feeling into your singing for it to stand out.

Apside, anyone with big pants in the industry can get you on tv, etc. Especially with the right connections. You should be grateful you've got this far. But sometimes you have to step outside of that and become a business manager/critic within yourself, Ask yourself why is my music good? Why is my music original? How can I develop a sound in our music that could be the next wave? The music world is as volatile as the stock market. Just because 3 or 4 other bands in your area that are good rock bands might have signed does not mean that you should or will be signed. Even if you are realistically better than those other bands. Record labels will only sign a few "project" or "potential" bands or maybe none at all if the boss man decides to put his fist down. And most producers will not take the time these days to try and create "hits" with a band. They are looking for bands that have an immediate hit in their pocket. Your best bet would be to scour the landscape for a producer who's willing to sculpt your music a little more if that's possible now that you are on a fast track. The A&R guys in the business have to be careful with what they submit to their overlords cause their jobs are at stake too.

Does that mean that there's now almost a 1 in 2000 chance of an A&R Manager actually listening to our songs.....?

Better than the old days when we had to go in to the big smoke and harass you at the door when you entered / left the office.....

:)

yes, he basically told us that the chances of happening anything through here are almost zero. i think this defeats the purpose they first announced...better the old days when they'd have no shame in saying this.
Looks like people are already throwing tantrums around here(apside), Calm down just because your music isnt appealing you dont have to go ranting and raving about it damn! people nowadays....
And oh no1 cares about ur followin in nothern cal and if u dont expect to get signed from this then why u here? just to put it plain an simple, stop moaning, other people are in the same boat here an u dont hear them goin on about it lol

We would like to hear some creative critizism from the producers on our music. We are going back into the studio this week to start recording our second album, due out in December. We have added new recording equipment, but we are curious about our first album and how it sounds.

Thanks to all!!

Kevin

Stoneshiver

D-Lo, experimenting is not a crime, is it? and so far, experimenting with this has been a disappointing thing. criticism from other people here do not exist, and the few people who have the balls to criticize this entire things get very intelligent comments such as yours. kissing asses will not help you here. it has been stated already that chances of happening here are very low.

everything else you said does not need to be adressed bc you were not part of the dialogue to begin with. if you read all the previous posts you may get some understanding of the things i've said.

Paula Abdul is a brutal music mogul? Thanks for the bio. I had problems sleeping last night and reading that helped no end.
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I have just joined your site and would like you to enjoy my song, 'Like An Angel'. I will be performing it at the Big Session Festival, Leicester on Saturday and at The Charlotte on the 28th of this month. Apparently I'm supporting Scouting For Girls.
According to Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul is a brutal music critic. Oh I see what you mean, the other kind of brutal. Jeez, now that I look at what I wrote I feel like someone stole my diary or something and put it on here. Dave, do you know if there's a delete button somewhere mate. So are you saying I could adapt my bio into children's bedtime reading.
Looks like you've dropped in at a bad time Martin...maybe later...
No. I think you'll find aspirations and reality are EXACTLY the same thing...I hope the irony is'nt lost on you...anyway lighten up and tell us a joke...
Nice call D-Lo...
I done a shite in the queen's toilet, so I guess that must make me the king...
The Lost Levels actually own one of Princess Margaret's old pianos. They got it for a tenner after she passed away (true), also their manager went to school on the Queens estate in Sandringham.
This must make them the most royal act on here.
hi new to the site and things anways liking your site keep up the good work :)

Could you take a look on my site also i would like to hear your advice of how my demos are good or bad i dont mind advice on how to improve my demos thank you..casanova

RED TEMPA ON RADIO ONE THIS SUNDAY

BOYS AND GIRLS, please take time out to check me out on the uk';s biggest radio station radio one this sunday 10.30pm till 11.30pm disussing drugs, and my new song braindead.

thanks alot

hey im not sure how to go abt this

but please listen to my song "come back home" on http://daoriginale1.vox.com

and please leave a comment

Stine Richard, B*Witched and ASH perform to over 1000 fans in Coventry on Tuesday (19/06/2007).

Stine Richard
So, what are we saying? That someone comes here once a month, wipes a bit of dust off the screen, says 'I really must sort this place out'... then switches off the light, closes the door and forgets all about it till next time? Really Columbia? Is this a blog site for the space-shuttle Columbia or the Columbia A&R department? Please excuse me, I'm new here, but if this is the brave-new-online-A&R-world I was promised, I'm very disappointed (so far). Does anyone else feel patronised and short-changed? (ok, so it's free, but you know what I mean). Please prove me wrong. Anyway, all the best till July 10th, or whenever - Al
It's easier for them to sort through this site than to sort through demo CD's and it gives the record company wider access to whatever musicians are out there. I do believe it may end up being more of a headache for them because the situation on here might soon come to resemble a waiting room in a hospital with only one doctor. But in reality people shouldn't see this as anything different than sending off a demo CD to a record label. But I think with this you have a better shot of being heard. I do think people should be able to vote for their favorite artists on here thereby allowing the cream to rise to the top for the A&R guys.
Hey Al. Most people here are happy with a pat on the head, or a web spider triggered 'hit' on their blog...a little bit of approval goes a long way...

Thanks Nuggitt and Matt. There's more about this in my blog: 'Does anybody really listen' - not sure how to point you there, other than to write that.

It's just struck me - and it's fairly obvious - that the guy/girl who opens the padded envelopes, listen to 20 secs and then bins them, is the same person consigned to checking on this site too - they have twice the work for the same money I shouldn't wonder.

1000 new bands have, apparently, joined this site since April: that's about 15 a day. What would it take to read each profile, listen to a couple of songs, write a short appraisal? Being very, very generous, let's say 15 minutes per band. That's less than 4 hours per day. 5 minutes per band and we have 75 minutes per day. Put most on a 'scrap' pile, some on a 'possible' pile, a couple on a 'wow' pile. Maybe leaves you with 20 bands a week that you need to check back on for new posts (then make a cup of tea and start on the pile of Jiffys). Is this too difficult/too much to ask? Obviously it is.

I feel quite foolish, but I expected more from Sony BMG's 'RCA and Columbia portal'. Their digital A&R co-ordinator James Lambert-Martin's notion that: '... when an artist uploads their songs, it's available to everyone within the company. Everyone who enjoys music will listen to it and leave feedback.' is obvious nonsense. I can see very little evidence that anyone listens to anything, not even artists to each other.

Take care, and good luck all - Al

That should have read 'Does anybody listen'. I've posted it to the A&R page again, just to stir things up...
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NEW ALBUM "Delusions of grandeur"

available on www.myspace.com/jonnymernagh1

I think what puts me off is that some of the busiest artists on the site are so unrealistic.
2 of the artists who seem to feature on here a lot are Stine Richards and Beverly Williams. They both have NME as one of their groups and yet It's pretty clear to me that they will probably never feature in it if they are ever successful.

I think most people post their tracks on here in the hope of getting genuine feedback from the teams at the record company, not other artists.
That doesn't seem to happen. Saying that I think Indieboy works really hard to make this site work as it was intended.

And Indieboy is one a and r person more than none!

Yes, like you said, I believe he really does try against all odds, having read the archives and other posts. But where are the others? And where's the 'blogging community' of which they speak? Is this it? 3 men and a dog (Ok, this week I'm the dog) talking about what isn't happening? - Al
Everyone on here has had genuine feedback from the record comany(s)...you either see it or you dont...

I must have missed ours then......

MM

Ha ! This is all quite interesting,, I got some good advice the other day from someone who should know which is that you've 'just gotta be cool'.

Of course, inherent problems with this philosophy include the fact that from the moment you press 'leave comment', type something and press 'post', you are not 'cool'.

Suffice to say that cream does rise to the top and if you don't know whether anyone has listened to your stuff or not you're probably crap. Harsh but true people.
Well, I've been uncool all my life - so I'm used to that. Probably crap as well - but that's no barrier to success in this industry. You only have to try swimming on some of our tourist beaches to see that its not just cream that rises to the surface.
So - Sony BMG's digital portal is a 21st century, cutting-edge blogging community where no-one dare speak their mind in case Big Whatsisname thinks you're not cool? It is possible that if one is being ignored it's because one is crap - I don't subscribe to that. I've heard lots of music on here and little of it is crap. I watched Glastonbury (admittedly from the objective comfort of my armchair) and saw a procession of rather ordinary pub-bands playing very ordinary songs - the like of which would be ignored on here too. Most of them are not famous simply for the quality of their music - and therein lies the rub. Attract the bodies on here, prove you have the X factor (who then cares what your music is like as long as enough suckers want to buy into you) and the numbers will point the A&R guys to you, in the way that a drop of blood in an ocean can attract a herd (or whatever they come in) of sharks. Without the blood they don't come. Even this page is red and still the buggers only call in once a fortnight.

There's nobody there, that's why you get no feedback; it's like why nobody answers your prayers. If they listened, it wouldn't kill them to say - no thanks, nice try, do this, try that, piss off and don't waste my time... The truth is they don't know what they want. Show them that enough people like you, and they will like you. They seem to me to be like sheep, but really big powerful sheep - they follow and then when the flock has momentum and direction they dash to the front and take the credit.

Was that cool enough for you? I said this before: now I've cut my throat I may as well sit here and slowly bleed to death, see what else unfolds - Al
'it wouldn't kill them to say - no thanks...' Hey Al - I have question for you. If these record company(s) dont just come out and say 'no thanks', why do you think that might be? What could their reasons be for doing that? It's not a trick question I'm just asking...
Hi Nuggit - er... I don't know any more than you do. I would guess: they don't take this seriously yet; that they don't have the staff; that their power is shrinking and they are running for the hills; that the people they give the jobs to are big on words and good in interviews but poor at delivering. Basically, most of the time there's no-one there to answer/listen - go and stand at a safe distance and watch:

YOO HOO, Tossers!!!!

You try it!

Even God would respond to that and blast me with a mighty bolt of lightning.

This is supposed (it says at the top of the A&R page somewhere) the place to submit demos to Columbia and RCA - You'd get more response from Columbo and the RAC I think... stabbing myself in the back now... aaaaghhhh
Hey Nuggit... you wound me up/set me up for that didn't you?.. damn, what a sucker I am. I'm this months sacrifice to the Sony BFG, aren't I (and that F doesn't stand for friendly)?

Why don't we use this energy listening and commenting on other people's music? Now there's an idea... Or even writing some of our own?
'If these record company(s) dont just come out and say 'no thanks', why do you think that might be?'

Ah! Could it be, that in this digital age where everything is stored somewhere forever, some poor guy could say 'No' to the next Beatles and be forever remembered/berated/ridiculed because of that?
If you can post an instant radio hit or two on here you'll be snatched up otherwise getting a response is like trying to get into an elite club without having a connection
I do have to say that most of the music on here is "not good" to say it nicely. I think most artists on here are too blind to know what they are missing musically. Not to say that it's easy to know where to go. A lot of the time I don't comment on a lot of stuff I listen to because it's so off the mark it's unbelievable. What I do post is sincere and I generally stick with the ones that have more potential than others. I can't believe how patronizing some people are with their comments! Though I do admit it's extremely difficult on here to find young artists that really have what it takes. The problem sometimes is you have a young band or artist with a great work ethic but their music is boring and unoriginal and sometimes rather contrived because they don't have enough unique experiences growing up that reflect in their music. It's very difficult to get that perfect balance of edge, originality and drive.
To add to my previous comment if anyone really wants a professional opinion/ critique of your music with "no fluff" and are sincerely interested in doing what is asked of you to fulfill your quest to become musically successful and you can take forthright criticism then feel free to send me a message and I will take the time to listen to them and give succinct real world and practical advice - within reason, obviously. If you want a "praised" response do not send them to me, send them to your Gran. And yes, if you're not getting any love from the A&R guys on this website your music as it stands right now is "not good" or "not good enough." And if you're the type that isn't going to change anything that I recommend it's probably a good idea to not waste either of our time. So if you're a little bit humble, are really looking for help and are willing to put in the time to correct some things in your music AND you can trust my opinion send it my way. - Matt
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Nice one, Matt. What you are offering is actually what most people here would LOVE from the actual people who run this place. I think most people here are under no illusions, regarding their own material. It all needs work, direction, improvement, production, and they would gorge themselves on any advice handed down to them - as long as the source could be verified re experience/knowledge/insight.

'...so off the mark' - is there a mark? Could you define 'on the mark' (though I think you may already have done so, quite well). As an experiment: you know where my songs are. Let's say 'Shallow water'. Could you do a public execution of that for me, something that might be of value to others who come here; throw your light of experience/insight/knowledge on to that song. My Gran heard it and even she didn't like it. My alter-ego that actually writes these things and who is very humble and not a little insecure would get a good meal out of what you toss his way.

Thanks for replying.

Al
PS, Matt. I took it as read that my music is among the stuff you don't comment on because it's 'so far off the mark', so I'm under no illusions. And I do hope I'm not in your 'patronising comments' brigade - I've written quite a few and have always tried to honest and constructive. Thanks - Al
Hey Al - No it was'nt a set up...If you were told sorry no thanks, what action would you take - so far as Vox is concerned?

Matt - What do you mean by 'a professional opinion/ critique'. Please answer this clearly and without recourse to rhetorical devices.


To Nuggit:

I'm not sure. I'm having second thoughts about the whole thing at the moment - the writing/playing/singing - it's taken over my life and I have other responsibilities which are being neglected. But, if they said no thanks, and they'd heard a cross-section (I'm unlikely to change radically what I do - I do what I do because it's all I can do), then that would be fine: I would probably take my ball and go home. If they could be more constructive, give a pointer or two - if they saw the glimmer of a ghost of a possibility that I might have something - then I would hang in there.

On a positive note: my agent handles a famous singer/songwriter. A couple of months ago the Eagles rang and asked if he had a song for their new album (they recorded a song of his a few years ago). He said he had something he was just finishing and he'd send it when it was done. He did, and it's going to be on the album. I heard the demo over the phone: it's beautifully played and produced, simple chords and lyrics. It gives one hope. I'm not the greatest singer/performer but I think I could put together a song well enough to give someone an idea of how it might be done, and done successfully. Maybe not the stuff I have now, but perhaps there's one inside me? Is this what we all think? All we have to do then is persuade someone else that it could work. With one under your belt the phone might well ring again... or maybe I could win the lottery...

And where's your profile Mr Nuggit? A liking for Haribo does not constitute a profile (though it's a good start - I love Star Mix) - Al
When I say professional opinion - I mean an opinion from someone who does this professionally as part of his/her career, and while just about everyone fits that category on here very few of them give a professional opinion, they say things that your band manager might say, not what an industry critic would say (if they had an ounce of time to waste!) I won't blab on about why my opinion might be valid, that's up to the artist to decide. It's difficult to spell out mine (or anyone's) creative, technical or business savvy on paper rather than in practice. I'm not claiming to be the great white hope and I'm not on here 24 hours a day. But I'm the best you've got, baby! Totally kidding. If people decry my opinions as a fraud I'll be out of a job soon enough any way right?
Hi Matt
I'll repeat what posted above, in case you missed it:

Nice one, Matt. What you are offering is actually what most people here would LOVE from the actual people who run this place. I think most people here are under no illusions, regarding their own material. It all needs work, direction, improvement, production, and they would gorge themselves on any advice handed down to them - as long as the source could be verified re experience/knowledge/insight.

'...so off the mark' - is there a mark? Could you define 'on the mark' (though I think you may already have done so, quite well). As an experiment: you know where my songs are. Let's say 'Shallow water'. Could you do a public execution of that for me, something that might be of value to others who come here; throw your light of experience/insight/knowledge on to that song. My Gran heard it and even she didn't like it. My alter-ego that actually writes these things and who is very humble and not a little insecure would get a good meal out of what you toss his way.

Thanks for replying.

Al

Here ya go Al (AKA Mr. Jingle) Here's your execution for Shallow Water.

First thing that came to mind that was the snare hit is not loud enough...crack that thing! It sounds very dull. Piano sounds very midi. The song sounds like a guy and his engineering skills rather than a live band. Bass is too full. When your voice comes in it's a complete let down compared with the musical intro. Vocals are a little bassy and you might want to give the vocals a bit of a boost and take some of the lows out of the vocals too. Also when you come into each phrasing of each sentence vocally you are out of sync with the vibraphone hit or whatever synth sound that is. In fact I don't think the vibraphone sounds natural timing wise. You have to be very thorough in making sure that everything is pretty close with regards to timing, that's extremely important. Even if it's off slightly. If everythings not structured correctly in a visual sense or in a timing sense you've already missed your opportunity to impress. The drums sound like they were miced with one mic - they sound like they're recorded into the same mic and are very mono. Very muddy mix so far. Everything sounds on top of everything. When you bring in the horns I would bring them outside so you hear them in more of a wide stereo approach in this song especially considering there is so much bass cluttered in the middle already. It's definitely a pleasant song but not enough of a difference between chorus and verse for it to grow wings and melody wise it's not original enough to not make it sound like 50 or maybe even a 100 more other songs played in the British charts over the last 20 years. By now that looped piano is starting to really aggravate me. I don't think you're giving it your all vocally, your words taper off here and there and the voice sounds tired and I hate to say it but old too. Need to work on vocal mixing - "clothes" sounds like "clode" or something. I don't know if it's just me but the vocals sound like they're slightly panned right which feels strange. When I hear an artist or a band I listen from the vocals down and if the music doesn't match the personality of the vocals then there's a problem. Your voice is very gruff (in a good way) and emotionally strung, maybe too predictably, and I think you would do better with music that doesn't excite us too much, maybe a little more dull. With a voice like yours you don't need a band to take over. You need subtle music that allows the attributes of your voice to shine through - melodic music but tempered slightly. Overall this song sounds very "theme like," not a radio song but more for a TV show or movie, well unless you're Wayne Newton in Vegas. Lyrics are pretty original and as a songwriter I think you've got something. Good jingle.

As a follow up I would say the most important thing for any artist to think about before they post anything on this blog is to "know your format!!!" and to market yourself from a business standpoint - have a business product to sell. Folks, if you don't wow me, how can you expect to wow the A&R guys? Know the shot before you try to break the A&R guys door down on here for goodness sake. Some of you guys do not deserve the opportunity, you simply haven't earned it. Have you put the time in music wise..yes. Have you defined your product to sell... no way.
Hi Matt
THANK YOU. That's bloody great! I wouldn't expect that depth from A&R, I didn't expect it from you. You are bang-on too - everything you say I can agree with, to some degree. I'm no engineer, no producer, no singer, just an average musician trying to put a song down. I can hear the weaknesses, the problems with definition, the poor samples, the mono-ish drum loop. I mix on headphones, because they are all I have at the moment and the bass sounds fine on there... the vocal intro thing is exactly what I always think too... again I don't have the skill to get round it. But it is a demo - I'm trying to display the song, the lyrics. I would have thought that any A&R guy worth his salt could see through the flaws and hear the song (if there is one...). But that is food for thought and I shall feast on it and try again. To be honest, I think I need help mixing this (it is the most ambitious thing I've tried) so may well get some. Thanks a million, Matt - Al

I certainly hear you on the marketing side of things. The rest of it is in the ear of the beholder. So subjective as to be impossible to even contemplate seriously. If you want to get signed you have to have done the marketing already - the record companies are no longer prepared to take a risk on something which might lose them even more money. It's happening in TV and the movies as well - which is why there are so many remakes of old success stories floating around with pretty young faces on the front end.

Embittered rant over, time for another tablet.

MM

RE: All I Want Is You

The drummer sounds like you just dragged him out of bed or something and he has a massive hangover and I think that's mostly due to the mix. Also, I don't know if anyone knows how to mix drums these days. For gods sake, make sure the drummer doesn't sound like he's off in the corner somewhere doing his own random thing. Most of the drums sound dead and I can't even hear the beat. All I can say is snare, snare, snare. The cymbal crashes sound too irrelevent also. And you can't get away with rim taps unless they are truly dictating the beat. Playing them on the second and fourth beats like that is remisicent of an intro or "low" moment in the song and should never be done for that long, it ends up as a distraction to the ears. It's ok at the beginning for a short period but get it over with. I don't hear a firmness and intent when I listen to the drums and drummer. There's got to be energy in the drums otherwise this song will never end up on the radio. That trinket effect is good but would sound better if there was more percussion in the song, maybe a little conga. And you definitely need to pick up the tempo a hair. I would really give those electric guitars near the end more "air play" and turn them up." Those guitar parts will end up being a major part of the song and I think they're great. When your vocal is reintroduced make sure the other instrumentation is not too loud. Remember that most people listen to music through the speakers of their cars and home stereos and maybe occasionally some ceiling speakers in a shop somewhere. So when I listen to a mix (aside from the subtleties) I turn the volume down and listen to it in a normal environment and listen for what stands out and what doesn't. People like to mix these cute little perfect songs where it's got a lot of little things going on everywhere which don't matter. Too many sparse things going on. Every instrument should feel like a musician and not just a part here or there in the song. I do like the melody and find the song overall has a pleasant laid back feel. But as far as mixing goes with what you have:

Drums - make sure all the tom hits are audible along with all the other snare hits

Organ - be careful when you use an instrument that's playing the exact same thing as another instrument especially when they're both centered, it can play games with the ears. I would pan them in a way where they don't sound like they're competing against each other. And maybe add a little depth to one of them to to break them apart even more.

Guitar - I would add a bit more of a stereo effect to the guitars even at the beginning. Don't be afraid to increase their volume slightly. And let the guitar ride out rather than just picking at it - more strumming and maybe more open chords.

Vocals - I would add more lows to your voice a little bit. Find that right warmth in your voice and even make the vocals more forefront. And make sure you hold the vocals long enough at the end of each sentence. You should really go after it in the chorus.

Synth or Strings - could be turned up and balanced otherwise not worth having. Turn it up towards the last 3rd of the song end for hells sake. The song should be "kicking butt" by now.

The best piece of advice I could give to you is also to make sure the vocals stand out and don't dawdle along. One major reason songs like yours don't become hits is because the vocalist sings to the music rather than let their personality lead the music. Remember there should always be a constant rhythm when listening to a radio song. Even if the song stops for a second the listener should still be aware of the rhythmn in their head. The drums and guitar should be tattooing the melody and rhythmn into people's heads. And when writing a chorus write a melody where you climb enough notes octave wise so you lift the emotion of the song, cause if you don't you'll end up with a flat song that ends up in some college radio station's DJ's hands where only him and his housemates think it's really cool.

I know what you're saying Mirage. Most bands nowadays market themselves and that's how it's supposed to be done - if you don't have an appreciative fan base and are constantly trying to increase that fanbase then you may as well go home. And playing live is about the best way to better yourself musically. But what the A&R guys are looking for on here is an artist with a few ready to go hits - the artist themselves are disposable.
Hey Al - figured I did'nt need a profile since I make no claims about myself and as a rule only comment on comments, as opposed to songs. Of course it's true I made an exception to this rule with Nigel Place and to a lesser extent Marshall Star, as one of her/their songs reminded me of 'Too much time' by Captain Beefheart; and lets face it, anything reminiscent of Beefheart has to be good.

However I will not be drawn into any shite about 'this is what I've done etc...' But I will say this, when it comes to crits, be careful what you wish for. Though to your credit you at least seem mature enough to realise that you are not the finished article...

By the way what do you think of Trout Mask Replica...? Let's make history and take about music...

Almost forgot, I think a liking for Haribos more than qualifies me to comment here...

Hi Nuggit

Of course one has to listen to ctiticism; and to ask for it, take it seriously, and not be offended by it. If it's written from a destructive angle then learn to single that out and ignore it. Any other stuff will be well-intentioned, but only ever one person's opinion. The trick may be to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Stay balanced, keep an open mind, take it all on-board. No-one is the finished article - not even Stevie Wonder (though he was signed, sealed, delivered, years ago)... we are all growing, changing, learning from our experiences. Criticise all you like: tell me what's wrong, BUT tell me what I can do to make it right. Matt does that, above. If he'd said 'Crap' then I would have smiled and forgotten him. I can work with what he suggested, find out for myself the validity of it, and in that way move on.

Those half foam/half gum fried eggs are my favourite. Have you a favourite Haribo? Or is this the wrong blog for that...

Al

Ha Ha...Hey Al this is absolutely the right blog to be discussing your favourite Haribos, can't emphasise that enough...I love all those fizzy sour ones...
Matt - I didn't realise you'd posted you're critique up on here so i'll have to post my reposte now.. So much for maintaining radio silence.. But then it's all good fun init :

Ha! Thanks for that.. I see your point about the guitars and keys playing the same and needing to be separated more.. Thats pretty easy to do with panning, as you suggested, maybe a nice stereo reverb on the keys to give 'em some depth so well spotted..

The drums.. Now then this is a long story but I (the singer) have only been the singer for a couple of months and was the drummer before.. I was pro from 18-23 and have done loads of playing over the years.. For this we got in a session guy for a change and wanted to see how we worked producing someone else on the kit. There is a nice pattern for the chorus - kick kick snare snare kick both snare - which is what we wanted but other than that we just wanted something simple instead of my playing dominating the sound of the record.. We also used a sound replacer and edited all hits to sit so as a functioning drum track we think it works.. The rim shot thing is a matter of taste i reckon - our producer, who wasn't involved on this session, sees our sound as being consistent with the so called 'new acoustic movement' and we trust his opinion so the extent to which we're using the rimshots is consistent with this.. allegedly..

We also have a tendency to record all kinds of stuff so having this direction acts as a kind of mid-term plan to be complied with thus creating a narrower sphere to work within (if that makes sense).

We've been in contact with various rec co's over the past couple of years, indie and major alike, and have often been told that it would be difficult to market because we cover too much ground so the new acoustic movement thing works as an ethos and is as good a direction as any i suppose.. Therefore the rimshots are just about the right length ha ha.. Supposedly..

You're right about the vocal being drowned at the end and we're due to fix that this week along with upping the ante on the infinty reverb.. We'll fuck around with that, see what happens.. maybe a happy accident or two would spice things up..

I've also got a violin virtuoso coming in to do some playing on a few things so with a proper string sound (stereo pair with x2 414's) the track should sing a little more.. We'll see..

I appreciate the critique and agree with lots of what you say, some of which has been addressed in other recordings we're working on so I think (if we've done our sums right) the feel of the track will work in the context of 5 or 6 which will be done over the next few weeks..

Thanks for the correspondence maaan !! It all comes in handy and its nice to hear someone who can articulate on the smaller, less detectable nuances !

Nick sats

Yeah, Nick

I definitely think you've got a bit of something going on in your music that record labels are looking for but I think your allegiance to the acoustic element might be a little misguided. There is a growing format for acoustic but it's more for the solo type artist and is more focused on acoustic blues or acoustic folk rock. The key is you have to ask yourself where do I fit in easily. When I listen to your stuff I think you definitely are more of a continuation of Stone Roses, Happy Mondays and so on than the acoustic movement. Ask yourself who are my influences? And be honest about it. What feels right? Don't try to convince yourself you're acoustic or can be acoustic if that's not the real you. Because the insincerity of it could end your career quickly. That's my two cents. My stepfather once said to me when it comes to investment "bricks and mortar" will always be the foundation to fall back on. Well in music "beat and melody" will always be there and will always be the foundation of good music. If you have your doubts about acoustic, go back to beat and melody - there's no in between in your situation. And yes, rim hits do work when they're part of a rhythm.

I would "never" use one session musician as your drummer in a recording unless he's eventually going to be in your band or he's the band's friend who you have a musical trust with. If you're a solo artist or duet you might use a group of session musicians who have worked together before or work easily with other session musicians because there's a previous chemistry there, but when you bring in a cold guy who you've never met before to be half of your rhythmn section the gap in chemistry will show its weakness in your final recording. Unless the person who suggests that sort of thing is a very astute record guy who eats lunch daily with the guy who writes the checks and that element is contingent on getting you signed I would advise against it.

Seize the day, Nick!

Matt

Hiya!

I'm new to the group but just wanted to say 'HI!' and invite you all over to a party at my place...

Please spare a few minutes to listen to my music and let me have your comments while I check the fridge for some cold beers. lol

You can also hear the whole album 'Versatility' that I recorded in New Orleans (June 2007) at my .INFO site or my UK MySpace page

And then some...

xxx & ooo

Roni

Can I just say thanks to Matt and to everyone else who bothers to post here, in the total absence of any meaningful contribution from the corporate gods with whom we wished to commune. Amen.

Simon (Mouse) here on behalf of Roni.

Oh dear!

This comes as a bit of a shock...

Why would you go to all the trouble of setting things up, posting songs, writing blogs, adding pictures etc just to find out that nobody is ever going to read or listen!

Having spent several hours of my time getting things to look nice and doing some tidying up I fear my time has been completely wasted - This is not a professional approach to take, especially when it is no longer possible to send submissions directly.

Just how DO you get the attention of record companies these days?

If this is just an excercise in trying to keep the 'masses' occupied and away from your door then it is a pretty cynical one.

Anyone else out there want to team up with me and start our own label?????

Mouse...

Prove me wrong please...

Let's do it Simon! You, me, maybe even Al.
Don't be shocked, Simon. This place merely mirrors the real world, where indolence and low standards are the norm. As creative people, we are 'engaged' by what we do: we are interested in how to improve it, we are curious about the procedures involved, and we seek advice, criticism (in its best sense). That's why we are frustrated, both here and in the real world - because to them it's just a job, a means to an end; do it quietly with as little effort as possible, don't ask questions/make a fuss, get paid and get away. It's a clash of cultures - we, generally, don't have the time/energy for what Matt calls 'marketing', and yet marketing is all they see. Damn, I'm getting old.

Well, to keep all our vain hope alive I've posted a new track on my blog. Its called 'Slip of the Tongue'. You're welcome to listen to it and throw as much mud as you like - or even say what you like about it. Anyway, it's there. Do with it what you will. How you get there from here is anybody's guess on this site....

Cheers - and don't be too sad everyone - it's summer!

MM

In reply to Matt's post a few days ago.. (Apologies for my tardiness in replying but my weekend started on thursday and ended last night which is unfortunate for my bank manager but then there's just soooo much fun to be had.. allegedly.. ?@£$!)

So yeah, interesting stuff as ever matt. I do take on board the comments about not trying to do things to fit into a genre, in this case 'acoustic'. Of course I don't make any artistic sacrifices EVER when it comes to realising an idea and the completion of it in the studio or live. Your comment adds up to saying 'don't jump on a bandwagon because you'll come a croper' type thing which of course i would never do in the same way as i would be very careful about putting my name to anything that didn't, in my opinion, have 100% artistic integrity. It goes without saying this has to be prime directive in any artistic medium.

The only thing we are trying to be savvy about is not having so many instruments on recordings that it becomes impossible to convey live. I had a great french horn part for 'All I Want is You' but who's gonna budget for a french horn player on a toilet tour when they'll only feature in 1 song? Therefore it seems good to concentrate on tunes that could be done with just bass, drums, acoustic and vox which would inevitably lead to us being bracketed 'acoustic'. Maybe the trick is to anticipate the place you'll probably occupy in the minds of the hacks and pluggers at this stage and make it work to your advantage because it HAS been anticipated. Thats all..

Now the drumming is a different issue altogether. I know that you have been a successful drummer, as have I, and I suppose there are just so many ways to think about it that the only person you can agree with wholeheartedly is yourself ha ! Maybe..

Anyhow, I do take your comments on board but there are some things that you may not be aware of. The guy we got in is a seasoned pro (hi dave) and the part he played in the studio is a recreation of a midi part we'd supplied him beforehand. Both me and Chris use logicpro on macbooks to demo things (like the french horn part ha ha) before going into the studio and leave very little room for error because studios is expensive init? Also, from a production aspect, you can just say 'Well is it on the demo or not?' which is handy when you don't want to entertain other people's ideas if they are crap.. :)

I have to say as well that i did once get hired as a drummer and did 9 tracks in a day, some of which went out on a major. Admittedly some of it was just tapping along rattle tattle type stuff but it needed doing nevertheless and I just thought of it as 'well it is a bit of a tall order but shall we just see how much we can get through?' thus avoiding us putting any limitations on what was possible or not. I agree about all of the chemistry observations but we laid it out on a plate this time and we were only attempting the one track after all.. (Those sessions when someone is completely out of their depth and you have to spoon feed them with kid gloves on are a fucking nightmare aren't they..? I think the hairs on the back of my neck have just risen sharply)

Anyhow, i'll stop prattling on now..

I have to say interesting comments as ever matt, pleasure to converse when there's articulacy and experience at work !

Note to self: stop taking 5 day weekends, you can't afford the time or the money buster!!

L8rs, Nick Sats







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this blog is brilliant....... i got so drawn into it....... had to run over to the page of matt morris to see who this guy was........ and it brought me right back here....... happy blogging fellow artistes....... bev x

waow, a lot of feelings up in here!

maaaan, i only just found out Columbia has one of my tracks marked favorites, im like the only urban act up that list!! i feel..(no words)

Congratulations! Well done!

MM

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Hey,

Have a listen to a fresh new track from the new album I am working on now.

The track is called 'Oh, I Know'.

Let me know what you think

Phil MC

Hi people, I Got a couple new samples along with a new track called 'Strong Survive' posted up on my page, would appreciate it if some of you passed through, checked out the tracks an left me some comments, thnx :)
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im ready
Well done indeed !

I reckon on my last post (see above) i may've over stepped the mark somewhat.. I'd had a long and entertaining weekend and think i was probably quite excitable at the time so please forgive any bullishness on my part. Ironically, one of my favourite turns of phrase is 'nobody likes a smart arse' (used humorously) and it seems i should heed my own advise more. (And not piss off such helpful folk as Matt - we used a lot of what you'd said in the studio that week so thanks again).

By way of apology i've put up a very basic track on which i sound like a little boy singing (see 'One for the Romance') so feel free to ridicule and berate until your heart is content.. Laters folks !!
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Thank you so much for making an effort to listen to all of the artists. We appreciate it.

This is such a cool way to do this..

Love and Gratitude,
kimberly
It takes a lot to piss me off Nick. There's a lot that "irks" me - substandard things, especially in the musical sense. But how else do you propel people towards success? But actually from how you've responded so far you seem profound enough in the musical sense to not have to rely too much on outside assistance. Sounds like you've got things under control mate!
plain and simple dudes check out my music :)

also drop by my homepage which is;
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www.myspace.com/lisathebigdub

Kisses Lisa xoxox

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