Shiney New Music
Hello,
Apologies for the temporary hiatus in posts. Was away for a while and unable to update properly.
Firstly, I was looking through the comments of the last post, really interesting stuff. A few views on where producers sit with music today, plus real thoughts on the music featured too. Thanks to Blair Lott, Matt Morris, Nuggit De Hornet and Apside for their comments. Perhaps warrants a further post? Let us know and I'll link through to what you put up.
As we approach THE 2000 ARTISTS MARK (!!!), it's getting easier and easier to find good music to listen to. The media player is in good use, although a little basic it seems that many people are finding new bands that they want to hear. I'm still working with vox on an updated version.
I'm updating the format further for the unsigned blogs, I'm going to feature one artist per blog, but get posts up more often. That means there's more space for each featured group. I'm contacting the bands first to get more info. So hopefully you'll find out further details here that aren't on their blogs. I will also feature comments from this post in the next blog, so get writing about the music. The feedback on the last post was really good.
I'd like to talk about are the Lost Levels which I can only describe as 16 bit games console influenced indie rock. :-
) Steve and Owen met in an Arcade on the Golden Mile before turning their blistered, possibly arthritic fingers to the jumpy basslines as crunchy drums we hear in Lost Levels.
I've been told that Xavier and Iain met at a Siobhan Donaghey audition, have a look at the pictures and you can see that neither of them look like her, so no wonder they were rejected.
Working out of a converted barn on the Norfolk coast, they use an array of wonderfully low tech synths and recently appropriated an harmonium to produce the bleepy stompers featured below, with often interjections of ambient bliss as heard in Early Sheets. Looking at the activity from the last post, I'd love to hear your views on these.
The Band Are:
Xavier - Vocals/Keys
Iain - Guitar/ Vocals
Steve - Drums/Glockenspeil
Owen - Bass/Double Bass
Gigs:
15th June - Parade - 333 Old Street London
25th June - The Gramaphone, Commercial Road, London
Comments
Early sheets felt to me like it's missing a proper chorus, but the pre-chorus-y, refrain-y type thing they have sounds good. I just wanted something more after that, more payoff. The second verse felt long to me. Verses in general didn't really excite me too much. The bridge is the best bit. Also, I wish it hadn't ended as it did - maybe the missing chorus would fit well there.
Game over felt like it would be at home in a cool movie soundtrack.
Good work overall.
RE: The Lost Levels
I hear Weezer and Eels Vs Pink Floyd and Crosby, Stills & Nash - something like that. I'm hearing another band in there somewhere also but can't put my finger on it. Not sure of the blend of verses with the chorus and bridge, they sound a little too contrasting. It's a little too "rehearsed" and not organic enough. Drums and guitars sound a little too perfect and a little too microwave ready for me. I hear a lot of that lately, I don't know if it's a trend or not. The nerdy singing doesn't have enough presence or enough "lift" to capture my attention and like Randy on American Idol would say - "I'm just not feeling it, dog." Not enough going on to make me feel like it's an actual band. A little too bland and not enough personality. It's not quite original enough to get on the air but it's a good template. The problem is the Lo Fi grunge sound is past its vogue and the chorus and bridge are too yesteryear. Production wise it's worthy though.
RE: Game Over
I appreciate those old Nintendo/Atari sounds - definitely adds for some nostalgia but I think I feel like you're attempt at implementing them are too subtle and sound more like one of those cheapy handheld video games than a real Nintendo or Atari. I would be a little more colorful and don't be afraid to milk them. If nothing else you might get famous just for that novelty factor. I have to admit I get lost and feel like my attention is torn between the instrumentation and the singing. The voice is too barren and lacks emphasis and individuality. Again you come in with a bridge that leaves the rest of the song behind and makes the total composition of the song sound like an experiment. I'm still feeling like you're a one man band. I do see a lot of heart in what you are doing and your attempt at originality is in the first stages. Keep working hard. Thanks.
RE: Never the First
Madness meets Ben Folds. Sounds like a catchy tune for an advert but I couldn't see it on the radio. Needs more of a musical group feel than just the solo artist in the booth feel I get from it right now.
BTW the first post was for Early Sheets
no matt, im not expecting to get signed from these blogs. we have a very nice following in northern cal, and have done many things that happen to a band only with a label support - even being on mtv and having songs on tv shows. but it amazes me the great marketing strategies of this site to attract artists on the days before this was on, and then replies are zero, and even posts on this blog are zero. A&R people have never listened to physical discs anyways, and here it would be no different. I think the purpose of these blogs should be more explicit "we wanna be myspace without really saying it."
I appreciate the time you took to go and listen to our music. but with all these talks about "formulas" and "trends" it's hard to take it seriously. Bands should not be playing the songs that are on the radio today, but on the radio tomorrow. And if you had to track down those songs, it is bc they're not supposed to be here, meaning they're part of history, but don't represent us any longer, even though that took us further than we expected.
thanks.
Matt Morris 's profile said he is a lifelong drummer with aspirations to mold bands.
My dad is a lifelong drummer but he has no idea about what any bands I listen to are trying to do. Aspirations and reality are very different things.
I aspired to release records and I did. I aspired to manage acts and I did.
The verse compared with chorus and bridge was a totally different format music wise. You can't just jump completely from one brand of music to another in the middle of a song without it seeming congruent. It might be a cool idea but it takes a genius to pull it off. The bland I was referring to was the vocals. People forget that you have to accentuate vocals to grasp the ears attention. Sometimes you have to manufacture even a small amount of feeling into your singing for it to stand out.
Apside, anyone with big pants in the industry can get you on tv, etc. Especially with the right connections. You should be grateful you've got this far. But sometimes you have to step outside of that and become a business manager/critic within yourself, Ask yourself why is my music good? Why is my music original? How can I develop a sound in our music that could be the next wave? The music world is as volatile as the stock market. Just because 3 or 4 other bands in your area that are good rock bands might have signed does not mean that you should or will be signed. Even if you are realistically better than those other bands. Record labels will only sign a few "project" or "potential" bands or maybe none at all if the boss man decides to put his fist down. And most producers will not take the time these days to try and create "hits" with a band. They are looking for bands that have an immediate hit in their pocket. Your best bet would be to scour the landscape for a producer who's willing to sculpt your music a little more if that's possible now that you are on a fast track. The A&R guys in the business have to be careful with what they submit to their overlords cause their jobs are at stake too.
Does that mean that there's now almost a 1 in 2000 chance of an A&R Manager actually listening to our songs.....?
Better than the old days when we had to go in to the big smoke and harass you at the door when you entered / left the office.....
:)
We would like to hear some creative critizism from the producers on our music. We are going back into the studio this week to start recording our second album, due out in December. We have added new recording equipment, but we are curious about our first album and how it sounds.
Thanks to all!!
Kevin
Stoneshiver
D-Lo, experimenting is not a crime, is it? and so far, experimenting with this has been a disappointing thing. criticism from other people here do not exist, and the few people who have the balls to criticize this entire things get very intelligent comments such as yours. kissing asses will not help you here. it has been stated already that chances of happening here are very low.
everything else you said does not need to be adressed bc you were not part of the dialogue to begin with. if you read all the previous posts you may get some understanding of the things i've said.
This must make them the most royal act on here.
Could you take a look on my site also i would like to hear your advice of how my demos are good or bad i dont mind advice on how to improve my demos thank you..casanova
RED TEMPA ON RADIO ONE THIS SUNDAY
BOYS AND GIRLS, please take time out to check me out on the uk';s biggest radio station radio one this sunday 10.30pm till 11.30pm disussing drugs, and my new song braindead.
thanks alot
hey im not sure how to go abt this
but please listen to my song "come back home" on http://daoriginale1.vox.com
and please leave a comment
Stine Richard
Thanks Nuggitt and Matt. There's more about this in my blog: 'Does anybody really listen' - not sure how to point you there, other than to write that.
It's just struck me - and it's fairly obvious - that the guy/girl who opens the padded envelopes, listen to 20 secs and then bins them, is the same person consigned to checking on this site too - they have twice the work for the same money I shouldn't wonder.
1000 new bands have, apparently, joined this site since April: that's about 15 a day. What would it take to read each profile, listen to a couple of songs, write a short appraisal? Being very, very generous, let's say 15 minutes per band. That's less than 4 hours per day. 5 minutes per band and we have 75 minutes per day. Put most on a 'scrap' pile, some on a 'possible' pile, a couple on a 'wow' pile. Maybe leaves you with 20 bands a week that you need to check back on for new posts (then make a cup of tea and start on the pile of Jiffys). Is this too difficult/too much to ask? Obviously it is.
I feel quite foolish, but I expected more from Sony BMG's 'RCA and Columbia portal'. Their digital A&R co-ordinator James Lambert-Martin's notion that: '... when an artist uploads their songs, it's available to everyone within the company. Everyone who enjoys music will listen to it and leave feedback.' is obvious nonsense. I can see very little evidence that anyone listens to anything, not even artists to each other.
Take care, and good luck all - Al
NEW ALBUM "Delusions of grandeur"
available on www.myspace.com/jonnymernagh1
2 of the artists who seem to feature on here a lot are Stine Richards and Beverly Williams. They both have NME as one of their groups and yet It's pretty clear to me that they will probably never feature in it if they are ever successful.
I think most people post their tracks on here in the hope of getting genuine feedback from the teams at the record company, not other artists.
That doesn't seem to happen. Saying that I think Indieboy works really hard to make this site work as it was intended.
And Indieboy is one a and r person more than none!
I must have missed ours then......
MM
There's nobody there, that's why you get no feedback; it's like why nobody answers your prayers. If they listened, it wouldn't kill them to say - no thanks, nice try, do this, try that, piss off and don't waste my time... The truth is they don't know what they want. Show them that enough people like you, and they will like you. They seem to me to be like sheep, but really big powerful sheep - they follow and then when the flock has momentum and direction they dash to the front and take the credit.
Was that cool enough for you? I said this before: now I've cut my throat I may as well sit here and slowly bleed to death, see what else unfolds - Al
YOO HOO, Tossers!!!!
You try it!
Even God would respond to that and blast me with a mighty bolt of lightning.
This is supposed (it says at the top of the A&R page somewhere) the place to submit demos to Columbia and RCA - You'd get more response from Columbo and the RAC I think... stabbing myself in the back now... aaaaghhhh
Why don't we use this energy listening and commenting on other people's music? Now there's an idea... Or even writing some of our own?
Ah! Could it be, that in this digital age where everything is stored somewhere forever, some poor guy could say 'No' to the next Beatles and be forever remembered/berated/ridiculed because of that?
'...so off the mark' - is there a mark? Could you define 'on the mark' (though I think you may already have done so, quite well). As an experiment: you know where my songs are. Let's say 'Shallow water'. Could you do a public execution of that for me, something that might be of value to others who come here; throw your light of experience/insight/knowledge on to that song. My Gran heard it and even she didn't like it. My alter-ego that actually writes these things and who is very humble and not a little insecure would get a good meal out of what you toss his way.
Thanks for replying.
Al
I'm not sure. I'm having second thoughts about the whole thing at the moment - the writing/playing/singing - it's taken over my life and I have other responsibilities which are being neglected. But, if they said no thanks, and they'd heard a cross-section (I'm unlikely to change radically what I do - I do what I do because it's all I can do), then that would be fine: I would probably take my ball and go home. If they could be more constructive, give a pointer or two - if they saw the glimmer of a ghost of a possibility that I might have something - then I would hang in there.
On a positive note: my agent handles a famous singer/songwriter. A couple of months ago the Eagles rang and asked if he had a song for their new album (they recorded a song of his a few years ago). He said he had something he was just finishing and he'd send it when it was done. He did, and it's going to be on the album. I heard the demo over the phone: it's beautifully played and produced, simple chords and lyrics. It gives one hope. I'm not the greatest singer/performer but I think I could put together a song well enough to give someone an idea of how it might be done, and done successfully. Maybe not the stuff I have now, but perhaps there's one inside me? Is this what we all think? All we have to do then is persuade someone else that it could work. With one under your belt the phone might well ring again... or maybe I could win the lottery...
And where's your profile Mr Nuggit? A liking for Haribo does not constitute a profile (though it's a good start - I love Star Mix) - Al
I'll repeat what posted above, in case you missed it:
Nice one, Matt. What you are offering is actually what most people here would LOVE from the actual people who run this place. I think most people here are under no illusions, regarding their own material. It all needs work, direction, improvement, production, and they would gorge themselves on any advice handed down to them - as long as the source could be verified re experience/knowledge/insight.
'...so off the mark' - is there a mark? Could you define 'on the mark' (though I think you may already have done so, quite well). As an experiment: you know where my songs are. Let's say 'Shallow water'. Could you do a public execution of that for me, something that might be of value to others who come here; throw your light of experience/insight/knowledge on to that song. My Gran heard it and even she didn't like it. My alter-ego that actually writes these things and who is very humble and not a little insecure would get a good meal out of what you toss his way.
Thanks for replying.
Al
Here ya go Al (AKA Mr. Jingle) Here's your execution for Shallow Water.
First thing that came to mind that was the snare hit is not loud enough...crack that thing! It sounds very dull. Piano sounds very midi. The song sounds like a guy and his engineering skills rather than a live band. Bass is too full. When your voice comes in it's a complete let down compared with the musical intro. Vocals are a little bassy and you might want to give the vocals a bit of a boost and take some of the lows out of the vocals too. Also when you come into each phrasing of each sentence vocally you are out of sync with the vibraphone hit or whatever synth sound that is. In fact I don't think the vibraphone sounds natural timing wise. You have to be very thorough in making sure that everything is pretty close with regards to timing, that's extremely important. Even if it's off slightly. If everythings not structured correctly in a visual sense or in a timing sense you've already missed your opportunity to impress. The drums sound like they were miced with one mic - they sound like they're recorded into the same mic and are very mono. Very muddy mix so far. Everything sounds on top of everything. When you bring in the horns I would bring them outside so you hear them in more of a wide stereo approach in this song especially considering there is so much bass cluttered in the middle already. It's definitely a pleasant song but not enough of a difference between chorus and verse for it to grow wings and melody wise it's not original enough to not make it sound like 50 or maybe even a 100 more other songs played in the British charts over the last 20 years. By now that looped piano is starting to really aggravate me. I don't think you're giving it your all vocally, your words taper off here and there and the voice sounds tired and I hate to say it but old too. Need to work on vocal mixing - "clothes" sounds like "clode" or something. I don't know if it's just me but the vocals sound like they're slightly panned right which feels strange. When I hear an artist or a band I listen from the vocals down and if the music doesn't match the personality of the vocals then there's a problem. Your voice is very gruff (in a good way) and emotionally strung, maybe too predictably, and I think you would do better with music that doesn't excite us too much, maybe a little more dull. With a voice like yours you don't need a band to take over. You need subtle music that allows the attributes of your voice to shine through - melodic music but tempered slightly. Overall this song sounds very "theme like," not a radio song but more for a TV show or movie, well unless you're Wayne Newton in Vegas. Lyrics are pretty original and as a songwriter I think you've got something. Good jingle.
THANK YOU. That's bloody great! I wouldn't expect that depth from A&R, I didn't expect it from you. You are bang-on too - everything you say I can agree with, to some degree. I'm no engineer, no producer, no singer, just an average musician trying to put a song down. I can hear the weaknesses, the problems with definition, the poor samples, the mono-ish drum loop. I mix on headphones, because they are all I have at the moment and the bass sounds fine on there... the vocal intro thing is exactly what I always think too... again I don't have the skill to get round it. But it is a demo - I'm trying to display the song, the lyrics. I would have thought that any A&R guy worth his salt could see through the flaws and hear the song (if there is one...). But that is food for thought and I shall feast on it and try again. To be honest, I think I need help mixing this (it is the most ambitious thing I've tried) so may well get some. Thanks a million, Matt - Al
I certainly hear you on the marketing side of things. The rest of it is in the ear of the beholder. So subjective as to be impossible to even contemplate seriously. If you want to get signed you have to have done the marketing already - the record companies are no longer prepared to take a risk on something which might lose them even more money. It's happening in TV and the movies as well - which is why there are so many remakes of old success stories floating around with pretty young faces on the front end.
Embittered rant over, time for another tablet.
MM
RE: All I Want Is You
The drummer sounds like you just dragged him out of bed or something and he has a massive hangover and I think that's mostly due to the mix. Also, I don't know if anyone knows how to mix drums these days. For gods sake, make sure the drummer doesn't sound like he's off in the corner somewhere doing his own random thing. Most of the drums sound dead and I can't even hear the beat. All I can say is snare, snare, snare. The cymbal crashes sound too irrelevent also. And you can't get away with rim taps unless they are truly dictating the beat. Playing them on the second and fourth beats like that is remisicent of an intro or "low" moment in the song and should never be done for that long, it ends up as a distraction to the ears. It's ok at the beginning for a short period but get it over with. I don't hear a firmness and intent when I listen to the drums and drummer. There's got to be energy in the drums otherwise this song will never end up on the radio. That trinket effect is good but would sound better if there was more percussion in the song, maybe a little conga. And you definitely need to pick up the tempo a hair. I would really give those electric guitars near the end more "air play" and turn them up." Those guitar parts will end up being a major part of the song and I think they're great. When your vocal is reintroduced make sure the other instrumentation is not too loud. Remember that most people listen to music through the speakers of their cars and home stereos and maybe occasionally some ceiling speakers in a shop somewhere. So when I listen to a mix (aside from the subtleties) I turn the volume down and listen to it in a normal environment and listen for what stands out and what doesn't. People like to mix these cute little perfect songs where it's got a lot of little things going on everywhere which don't matter. Too many sparse things going on. Every instrument should feel like a musician and not just a part here or there in the song. I do like the melody and find the song overall has a pleasant laid back feel. But as far as mixing goes with what you have:
Drums - make sure all the tom hits are audible along with all the other snare hits
Organ - be careful when you use an instrument that's playing the exact same thing as another instrument especially when they're both centered, it can play games with the ears. I would pan them in a way where they don't sound like they're competing against each other. And maybe add a little depth to one of them to to break them apart even more.
Guitar - I would add a bit more of a stereo effect to the guitars even at the beginning. Don't be afraid to increase their volume slightly. And let the guitar ride out rather than just picking at it - more strumming and maybe more open chords.
Vocals - I would add more lows to your voice a little bit. Find that right warmth in your voice and even make the vocals more forefront. And make sure you hold the vocals long enough at the end of each sentence. You should really go after it in the chorus.
Synth or Strings - could be turned up and balanced otherwise not worth having. Turn it up towards the last 3rd of the song end for hells sake. The song should be "kicking butt" by now.
The best piece of advice I could give to you is also to make sure the vocals stand out and don't dawdle along. One major reason songs like yours don't become hits is because the vocalist sings to the music rather than let their personality lead the music. Remember there should always be a constant rhythm when listening to a radio song. Even if the song stops for a second the listener should still be aware of the rhythmn in their head. The drums and guitar should be tattooing the melody and rhythmn into people's heads. And when writing a chorus write a melody where you climb enough notes octave wise so you lift the emotion of the song, cause if you don't you'll end up with a flat song that ends up in some college radio station's DJ's hands where only him and his housemates think it's really cool.
However I will not be drawn into any shite about 'this is what I've done etc...' But I will say this, when it comes to crits, be careful what you wish for. Though to your credit you at least seem mature enough to realise that you are not the finished article...
By the way what do you think of Trout Mask Replica...? Let's make history and take about music...
Hi Nuggit
Of course one has to listen to ctiticism; and to ask for it, take it seriously, and not be offended by it. If it's written from a destructive angle then learn to single that out and ignore it. Any other stuff will be well-intentioned, but only ever one person's opinion. The trick may be to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Stay balanced, keep an open mind, take it all on-board. No-one is the finished article - not even Stevie Wonder (though he was signed, sealed, delivered, years ago)... we are all growing, changing, learning from our experiences. Criticise all you like: tell me what's wrong, BUT tell me what I can do to make it right. Matt does that, above. If he'd said 'Crap' then I would have smiled and forgotten him. I can work with what he suggested, find out for myself the validity of it, and in that way move on.
Those half foam/half gum fried eggs are my favourite. Have you a favourite Haribo? Or is this the wrong blog for that...
Al
Yeah, Nick
I definitely think you've got a bit of something going on in your music that record labels are looking for but I think your allegiance to the acoustic element might be a little misguided. There is a growing format for acoustic but it's more for the solo type artist and is more focused on acoustic blues or acoustic folk rock. The key is you have to ask yourself where do I fit in easily. When I listen to your stuff I think you definitely are more of a continuation of Stone Roses, Happy Mondays and so on than the acoustic movement. Ask yourself who are my influences? And be honest about it. What feels right? Don't try to convince yourself you're acoustic or can be acoustic if that's not the real you. Because the insincerity of it could end your career quickly. That's my two cents. My stepfather once said to me when it comes to investment "bricks and mortar" will always be the foundation to fall back on. Well in music "beat and melody" will always be there and will always be the foundation of good music. If you have your doubts about acoustic, go back to beat and melody - there's no in between in your situation. And yes, rim hits do work when they're part of a rhythm.
I would "never" use one session musician as your drummer in a recording unless he's eventually going to be in your band or he's the band's friend who you have a musical trust with. If you're a solo artist or duet you might use a group of session musicians who have worked together before or work easily with other session musicians because there's a previous chemistry there, but when you bring in a cold guy who you've never met before to be half of your rhythmn section the gap in chemistry will show its weakness in your final recording. Unless the person who suggests that sort of thing is a very astute record guy who eats lunch daily with the guy who writes the checks and that element is contingent on getting you signed I would advise against it.
Seize the day, Nick!
Matt
Hiya!
I'm new to the group but just wanted to say 'HI!' and invite you all over to a party at my place...
Please spare a few minutes to listen to my music and let me have your comments while I check the fridge for some cold beers. lol
You can also hear the whole album 'Versatility' that I recorded in New Orleans (June 2007) at my .INFO site or my UK MySpace page
And then some...
xxx & ooo
Roni
Simon (Mouse) here on behalf of Roni.
Oh dear!
This comes as a bit of a shock...
Why would you go to all the trouble of setting things up, posting songs, writing blogs, adding pictures etc just to find out that nobody is ever going to read or listen!
Having spent several hours of my time getting things to look nice and doing some tidying up I fear my time has been completely wasted - This is not a professional approach to take, especially when it is no longer possible to send submissions directly.
Just how DO you get the attention of record companies these days?
If this is just an excercise in trying to keep the 'masses' occupied and away from your door then it is a pretty cynical one.
Anyone else out there want to team up with me and start our own label?????
Mouse...
Prove me wrong please...
Well, to keep all our vain hope alive I've posted a new track on my blog. Its called 'Slip of the Tongue'. You're welcome to listen to it and throw as much mud as you like - or even say what you like about it. Anyway, it's there. Do with it what you will. How you get there from here is anybody's guess on this site....
Cheers - and don't be too sad everyone - it's summer!
MM
waow, a lot of feelings up in here!
maaaan, i only just found out Columbia has one of my tracks marked favorites, im like the only urban act up that list!! i feel..(no words)
Congratulations! Well done!
MM
Hey,
Have a listen to a fresh new track from the new album I am working on now.
The track is called 'Oh, I Know'.
Let me know what you think
Phil MC
This is such a cool way to do this..
Love and Gratitude,
kimberly
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